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		<title>By: Wilf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ben. Great to hear from you and this is great advice. It&#039;s been a while since we saw you and the Melotones at Biscuit &amp; Blues in San Francisco! We still have your card on the fridge! Keep in touch.
The Good Doctor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ben. Great to hear from you and this is great advice. It&#8217;s been a while since we saw you and the Melotones at Biscuit &amp; Blues in San Francisco! We still have your card on the fridge! Keep in touch.<br />
The Good Doctor</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello wilf,
About my question concerning 3rd position a week ago
After your reply I have been rollin up my sleeves and gittin dirty with no prisoners.
I&#039;ll go to a jam tonight and play with my friends on &quot;Death Don&#039;t have no mercy&quot; in Em
and &quot;Walkin Boss&quot; in Dm. I will pull it off. Thanks for keeping me determined. The 8 hole is not yet perfect but cummin....Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello wilf,<br />
About my question concerning 3rd position a week ago<br />
After your reply I have been rollin up my sleeves and gittin dirty with no prisoners.<br />
I&#8217;ll go to a jam tonight and play with my friends on &#8220;Death Don&#8217;t have no mercy&#8221; in Em<br />
and &#8220;Walkin Boss&#8221; in Dm. I will pull it off. Thanks for keeping me determined. The 8 hole is not yet perfect but cummin&#8230;.Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Bouman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Bouman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stuart ...

A while ago I posted next on Tony Eyers website/Harmonica Academy..
I answered a post about having problems with hole 2 draw.
You could try the exercises as well on holes 7-8-9-10 ...!!

this is the copy of the answer:
There are 2 reasons why it all feels &quot; different&quot;..
1. Most brands use shorter reeds for the higher pitched harps. In general: from G to C they use long slot reeds and from d to F short slot reeds.

So , G has long slot reeds and these require a bigger embouchure/resonance room than a D harp.
And this is reason nr 2.

It takes some time to automatically have the right embouchure on a harp. On a G harp you need to lower your jaw, to have your throat more open and relaxed than on a D.

Most players are not used to play with a big embouchure and therefore most players have a problem with with 1-2-3 draw ( esp.2).

Try this ( and I wrote this some time ago in another post):
Sit down on your couch, lean backwards till you can relax your neck/rest with your head on the edge of the couch. Pick up the harp and put the harp in your mouth without any muscle tension in your lips/face...
Blow holes 1-2-3 for a relaxed chord..no more than 50% volume...simply breath out.
Than do the same when breathing in...
After that breath in again and slowly make your embouchure smaller till you hit hole 2. When you still have a problem hitting a clear draw, breath in while imagening you make a EEEE sound. From there you can go to a AAA, to a OOOH and finally a UHHHH sound. You may notice that you when you are near the OOOH the note starts to bend.

Try this exercise on all keys/harps and work your way up and down, from G harp to F harp and back.
After a few times you will start to feel which embouchure is needed for a certain key....and after while you will do this automatically

Please feel free to ask any question you have..if possible I&#039;ll be glad to answer them.

This offer goes to anyone who&#039;s reading this!!


...................................................................

Ben Bouman
For skype lessons: search for: beta-harps or Ben Bouman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stuart &#8230;</p>
<p>A while ago I posted next on Tony Eyers website/Harmonica Academy..<br />
I answered a post about having problems with hole 2 draw.<br />
You could try the exercises as well on holes 7-8-9-10 &#8230;!!</p>
<p>this is the copy of the answer:<br />
There are 2 reasons why it all feels &#8221; different&#8221;..<br />
1. Most brands use shorter reeds for the higher pitched harps. In general: from G to C they use long slot reeds and from d to F short slot reeds.</p>
<p>So , G has long slot reeds and these require a bigger embouchure/resonance room than a D harp.<br />
And this is reason nr 2.</p>
<p>It takes some time to automatically have the right embouchure on a harp. On a G harp you need to lower your jaw, to have your throat more open and relaxed than on a D.</p>
<p>Most players are not used to play with a big embouchure and therefore most players have a problem with with 1-2-3 draw ( esp.2).</p>
<p>Try this ( and I wrote this some time ago in another post):<br />
Sit down on your couch, lean backwards till you can relax your neck/rest with your head on the edge of the couch. Pick up the harp and put the harp in your mouth without any muscle tension in your lips/face&#8230;<br />
Blow holes 1-2-3 for a relaxed chord..no more than 50% volume&#8230;simply breath out.<br />
Than do the same when breathing in&#8230;<br />
After that breath in again and slowly make your embouchure smaller till you hit hole 2. When you still have a problem hitting a clear draw, breath in while imagening you make a EEEE sound. From there you can go to a AAA, to a OOOH and finally a UHHHH sound. You may notice that you when you are near the OOOH the note starts to bend.</p>
<p>Try this exercise on all keys/harps and work your way up and down, from G harp to F harp and back.<br />
After a few times you will start to feel which embouchure is needed for a certain key&#8230;.and after while you will do this automatically</p>
<p>Please feel free to ask any question you have..if possible I&#8217;ll be glad to answer them.</p>
<p>This offer goes to anyone who&#8217;s reading this!!</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Ben Bouman<br />
For skype lessons: search for: beta-harps or Ben Bouman</p>
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		<title>By: Wilf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 20:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have to wonder if there is some kind of magic about playing the 6,7,8 holes&quot; To physically get the best sound out of them, you need to push them. They&#039;re shorter reeds so they&#039;ll accept some punishment. To get the best out of them musically, you&#039;ve got to throw away your comfort zones, roll up your sleeves and get messy. It&#039;s the border country between bottom and top end. There&#039;s bandits and banjos in there. Jump in with them, exercise your natural punk ethic, and just do it! No prisoners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have to wonder if there is some kind of magic about playing the 6,7,8 holes&#8221; To physically get the best sound out of them, you need to push them. They&#8217;re shorter reeds so they&#8217;ll accept some punishment. To get the best out of them musically, you&#8217;ve got to throw away your comfort zones, roll up your sleeves and get messy. It&#8217;s the border country between bottom and top end. There&#8217;s bandits and banjos in there. Jump in with them, exercise your natural punk ethic, and just do it! No prisoners.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just stumbled onto your wonderful site while looking for 3rd position suggestions on playing.
I play Lee Oscars andconcider myself intermediate. I have to wonder if there is some kind of magic about playing the 6,7,8 holes. I have tried a lighter air draw, sometimes it works.
Thanks for all you do.....R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just stumbled onto your wonderful site while looking for 3rd position suggestions on playing.<br />
I play Lee Oscars andconcider myself intermediate. I have to wonder if there is some kind of magic about playing the 6,7,8 holes. I have tried a lighter air draw, sometimes it works.<br />
Thanks for all you do&#8230;..R</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Brewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Brewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update. I took the top plates off and found that the holes now &quot;worked&quot; so I replaced the top plates but used didnt do up the end screws so tight and now the Harp works a lot better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update. I took the top plates off and found that the holes now &#8220;worked&#8221; so I replaced the top plates but used didnt do up the end screws so tight and now the Harp works a lot better.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your message Stuart. We&#039;ll see if we can get you some answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your message Stuart. We&#8217;ll see if we can get you some answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Brewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Brewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hijack this post but I cansee any other way to ask this question on the good ship Harpsurgery.

Ive got a new ish Lee Oskar in D. I had a problem with the 6 and 7 draw. where the other holes are real easy to sound and breath through these 2 are just plain stubborn. I took reed plates out to tak e alook and saw that they where all tunes and open pretty much the same - same gap openeings - no obstructions. After a couple of frustrating days of drying to flatten the reeds and then adjusting the openings - as per the instructions in &quot;A dummies guide to..&quot; I only managed to make things worse. So I bit the bullet and bought a new set of reed plates from LeeOskar. They came the other day, now fitted but gusee what  - same problem on the same holes - ( more pronounced on 7 draw) . The reed plate looks fine. The harp breathes easily on all the other draw holes but the 7 feels like its blocked! Help

Stuart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hijack this post but I cansee any other way to ask this question on the good ship Harpsurgery.</p>
<p>Ive got a new ish Lee Oskar in D. I had a problem with the 6 and 7 draw. where the other holes are real easy to sound and breath through these 2 are just plain stubborn. I took reed plates out to tak e alook and saw that they where all tunes and open pretty much the same &#8211; same gap openeings &#8211; no obstructions. After a couple of frustrating days of drying to flatten the reeds and then adjusting the openings &#8211; as per the instructions in &#8220;A dummies guide to..&#8221; I only managed to make things worse. So I bit the bullet and bought a new set of reed plates from LeeOskar. They came the other day, now fitted but gusee what  &#8211; same problem on the same holes &#8211; ( more pronounced on 7 draw) . The reed plate looks fine. The harp breathes easily on all the other draw holes but the 7 feels like its blocked! Help</p>
<p>Stuart</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth (not the) Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth (not the) Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been grooving a lot in 3rd lately - Dave Barret&#039;s book is a great help - that study piece in the style of George Smith is ace - especially if you&#039;re getting into chromatic, as I currently am. Also...... Junior Wells - he was a real 3rd bird. Some of his stuff used to mistify me untill I discovered the position - check out that Hoodoo Man album on Delmark for some great 3rd position shenannigans - and his funky stuff - Broke and Hungry - good for a mix&#039;n&#039;match in 3rd and 2nd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been grooving a lot in 3rd lately &#8211; Dave Barret&#8217;s book is a great help &#8211; that study piece in the style of George Smith is ace &#8211; especially if you&#8217;re getting into chromatic, as I currently am. Also&#8230;&#8230; Junior Wells &#8211; he was a real 3rd bird. Some of his stuff used to mistify me untill I discovered the position &#8211; check out that Hoodoo Man album on Delmark for some great 3rd position shenannigans &#8211; and his funky stuff &#8211; Broke and Hungry &#8211; good for a mix&#8217;n'match in 3rd and 2nd.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Westlake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Westlake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love 3rd position and use it a lot. It&#039;s great for horn lines (draw and blow octaves up and down the harp).  If the cord progression is other than the standard I V  IV then I am likely to use it because it seems like it is difficult to hit a wrong note. You mentioned Little Walter&#039;s Thunderbird and I like playing that song because it starts in 2nd position and ends in 3rd. I don&#039;t see any other harp players doing that.  Hey Wilf, can I use my voucher now?
Thanks
Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love 3rd position and use it a lot. It&#8217;s great for horn lines (draw and blow octaves up and down the harp).  If the cord progression is other than the standard I V  IV then I am likely to use it because it seems like it is difficult to hit a wrong note. You mentioned Little Walter&#8217;s Thunderbird and I like playing that song because it starts in 2nd position and ends in 3rd. I don&#8217;t see any other harp players doing that.  Hey Wilf, can I use my voucher now?<br />
Thanks<br />
Tony</p>
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